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Last of the Orions are leaving Hawaii

As first reported by Hawaii News Now  on Monday, February 27th, 2017, 7:05 pm PST
Original Article with video and pictures posted HERE

Article By Jim Mendoza, Reporter

KALAELOA (HawaiiNewsNow) –
After more than 50 years in Hawaii, a fleet of planes that were once considered workhorses for naval surveillance operations will soon be flown for the final time over the islands.

Starting in 1964, dozens of P-3 Orion aircraft were stationed across Oahu, first at Barbers Point and then at the Kaneohe Marine base.

“It did a number of missions,” said retired Navy flight engineer Doug Gillette. “From anti-submarine warfare, shipping surveillance, sea and air rescue, VIP runs.”

In addition to its surveillance duties, the aircraft also carried weapons. Gillette, for example, spent 24 years flying on the [turboprop] planes, including combat missions over Vietnam and in the first Gulf War.

During the Cold War, P-3’s scoured the oceans for Soviet subs.

“Besides the submarines out of Pearl Harbor and destroyers looking for them, P-3 Orion guys were out there looking for them as well,” said Brad Sekigawa, a historian at the Naval Air Museum Barbers Point.

Despite their storied history, the Navy says it is phasing out Orions for a more modern jet aircraft.

“Parts will be sold to foreign nations that still operate the P-3, and the rest will probably be mothballed and then probably later scrapped,” Sekigawa said.

At their peak, there were about 50 P-3’s stationed in Hawaii. A year ago, 1,000 personnel were attached to Hawaii’s remaining three P-3 squadrons.

The last squadron leaves Thursday[2 Mar 2017], taking 300 sailors and the final four Orion aircraft with it.

“It is sad because when you talk about availability and what it can do, it’s a great airplane,” Gillette said.

“It did its job very well,” Sekigawa added.

After the Navy’s P-3 Orions leave Hawaii for the last time you’ll still be able to see the planes. Two decommissioned P-3s are already on display at Barber’s Point Naval Air museum.

To view more photos of the P-3 Orion fleet on your mobile device, click here.

Copyright 2017 Hawaii News Now. All rights reserved.

Help bring back rating titles

Hello shipmates!

As you may be aware the SECNAV has ordered the removal of all of then 91 enlisted ratings titles. This means that sailors will no longer be identified by their job title, say, Aviation Ordnanceman 1st Class Joe Sailor, effective immediately. Instead, that would be Petty Officer 1st Class Joe Sailor.

Sailors past and present have longstanding and deep love of the titles that have defined their Navy lives. All of these now belong to the history books, but you can do something to help possibly change that.

Follow this link to sign a White House petition that asks the President to restore or at least comment on this horrible plan: 

Please share this with every sailor you know and help push the petition 100,000 votes before October 31st 2016.

Links to articles about the new rule from SECNAV:

And finally I think personally think this plan would have been much better in the long run:


Thanks for taking the time to read this, share this, and for signing the petition.

Aviation Ordnanceman Third Class Chad Derrington

Patrol Squadron Four (VP-4) Commemorative Coin

From: Brian LaFlamme

After over a year in the making, it is finally here and ready for you or a special Christmas gift to someone. This coin is exceptional with nice color on the front, 3-D design of a P-3 flying over Oahu on the back, a diagonal cut edge, and a good heft to it. I only had 50 made so as not to conflict with Tommy Johnson and there are only 44 left. The price was slightly higher because of the smaller order yet you will not be disappointed. I am tagging on to a friend’s website to sell these coins, so to purchase your coin go to

The coins will be shipped via USPS with insurance and tracking. Please check out the rest of the Chupamacabre website for unique gifts.

vp-4 coins


This coin may have special meaning to you if you know someone that served on Patrol Squadron Four (VP-4) based in Hawaii. “The Skinny Dragons” are a highly recognized and honored squadron of the United States Navy, playing key roles in the Vietnam War and Operations Desert Shield, Desert Storm, Enduring Freedom and Iraqi Freedom.

The coin is two-dimensional on the colorful dragon side with a three-dimensional embossment on the back. Quantities are very limited. This order qualifies for free shipping!

These products will be fulfilled by an outside vendor.

1992 VP-4 Squadron Roster

No Name Rank Photos on Page(s) Position
Commanding Officers
1 Cashbaugh, David CDR 2 C.O. Apr 1992 – 16 Apr 1993
2 Hall, Marshall A. CDR 3 XO – CO 16 Apr 1993 – 1 Apr 1994
3 Angeli LT 16 Crew 1
4 Art LT 32, 51 Crew 9 SMO/NSO
5 Ausman LT 28 Crew 7
6 Banard LCDR 18 Crew 2 HSO/DAPA
7 Bennett LT 26 Crew 6 Safety Natops
8 Bienvenue LT 43 Medical
9 Boerger LCDR 34 Crew 10
10 Brennan LT 16, 47 Crew 1 Tactics
11 Brickman LT 36 Crew 11
12 Burleigh LTJG
13 Carey LT 30 Crew 8
14 Carlisle LT 30, 36 Crew 8, Crew 11
15 Carrol LT 20 Crew 3 Safety Natops
16 Chinman LTJG 36 Crew 11
17 Clautice LT 26, 47 Crew 6 Tactics
18 Colmen CWO3 57 Material Control
19 Daniel LT
20 Danielson LT 34 Crew 10
21 De La Garza LT 28, 34, 61 Crew 7, Crew 10 SMO/NSO
22 Delaney LT 18 Crew 2
23 Easterling LCDR 26, 54 Crew 6 AMO
24 Eastman LT 34 Crew 10
25 Elston LT 28 Crew 7 Safety Natops
26 Fleming LTJG 24 Crew 5
27 Foppiano LTJG 41 HSO/DAPA
28 Frye LT 26 Crew 6 Safety Natops
29 Fulgham LT 30, 52 Crew 8 COMM/CMS
30 Gardinal LT 54 MMCO
31 Gilmer LT
32 Gnibus LT 50 AIO
33 Grunder LT 28, 42 Crew 7 Legal
34 Haloburdo LT 30 Crew 8
35 Harrington LTJG 22 Crew 4
36 Hill LT
37 Holbrook CWO4 57 Material Control
38 Hulse ENS
39 Jenson LT 22 Crew 4
40 Johnson LCDR 36. 54 Crew 11 MO
41 Kelly LTJG 32 Crew 9
42 Kim LT 34, 41 Crew 10 HSO/DAPA
43 Klepper LCDR 46 Operations
44 Lanoue LT 20 Crew 3
45 Lawson LCDR 18 Crew 2 Safety Natops
46 Lewis LT 16 Crew 1 Safety Natops
47 Lilienstein ENS
48 Macquoid LT 24 Crew 5
49 Mantay LT 36, 46 Crew 11 Operations
50 McGee LT 20 Crew 3 Operations
51 O’Connor LT 28 Crew 7
52 Phillips LTJG
53 Ralston LT 22 Crew 4
54 Robinson LT 16 Crew 1
55 Saiki LT 26, 47 Crew 6 Tactics
56 Salomon LCDR 32, 47 Crew 9 Tactics
57 Sapsis LTJG 18 Crew 2
58 Scanlon LT 22, 47 Crew 4 Tactics
59 Scarry LT 16 Crew 1
60 Slocum LT 18, 47 Crew 2 Tactics
61 Smith LCDR 36, 46 Crew 11 Operations
62 Spiers LT 22, 51 Crew 4 SMO/NSO
63 Springer LT 20 Crew 3 HSO/DAPA
64 Swanson LT 34 Crew 10
65 Tamashiro LT 20 Crew 3
66 Thomure LT 32, 51 Crew 9 SMO/NSO
67 Tregoning LT 32 Crew 9 HSO/DAPA
68 Westerkom ENS 24 Crew 5
69 Wooden LT 24 Crew 5
70 Baranda ASC 58 Tool Room
71 Barbour AMHC 55 Maint Control
72 Boroughs AWC 24, 47, 48/49 Crew 5 Tactics AW’s
73 Cheyney ADCS 55 Maint Control
74 Clark PRC PR/AME Shop
75 Davis PRCS
76 Gorman ATC 36 Crew 11
77 Grogan AWC 48/49 Operations AW’s Safety Natops
78 Hagood AWC 34, 48/49 Crew 10 AW’s Safety Natops
79 Hollingworth AEC 55 Maint Control
80 Holzboog AVCM 4
81 Hunt ADCS 34 Crew 10 FE
82 Kascsak ADC 41 HSO/DAPA FE
83 Kelley AEC FE
84 Land YNC 38 Administration
85 McEntee ATCS QA
86 Quiogue ADC 55, 67 Maint Control Power Plants
87 Read AWC 30, 48/49 Crew 8 AW’s
88 Rhoads AZC 56 Maint Admin
89 Sanftner ADC 55 Maint Control
90 Shields ATC 56 Maint Admin
91 Stair AVCM 54 MMCPO
92 Adams YN3 38 Administration
93 Adams ATAN 70 AIMD
94 Aitken HM3 43 Medical
95 Akiona AE2 30, 59, 60 Crew 8 FE AE’s
96 Allen ADAN
97 Anderson PN1 42 CC
98 Anderson AE1 60 AE’s
99 Anderson AD2 62 Line Shop
100 Angel AD2 18, 59 Crew 2 FE
101 Armendariz AE2 70 AIMD
102 Ashby AWAN 62 Line Shop
103 Ates AW1 26, 48/49 Crew 6 AW’s
104 Avery AT3 61 AT’s
105 Badger AT3 61 AT’s
106 Bailey AA 62 Line Shop
107 Barney AE1 69 QA
108 Barnstein AO3 70 AIMD
109 Baskin PR3 68 PR/AME Shop
110 Baumgardner AW3 24, 32, 47, 48/49 Crew 5, Crew 9 Tactics AW’s
111 Bayani PR3 68 PR/AME Shop
112 Beabes AME1 68 PR/AME Shop
113 Beauman AN
114 Beeson AD2
115 Berryman AK3 57 Material Control
116 Bertram AE1 60, AE’s
117 Bertsch AO2 24, 64/65 Crew 5 Ordnance Shop
118 Bitzelberger AW2 16, 47, 48/49 Crew 1 Tactics AW’s
119 Bitzer AN
120 Blain IS3 50 AIO
121 Booker AN 39 Personnel
122 Brown AO3 64/65 Ordnance Shop
123 Brown AW2 16, 34, 47, 48/49 Crew 1, Crew 10 Tactics AW’s
124 Buel AMH3 70 AIMD
125 Byrne AT2 20, 61 Crew 3 AT’s
126 Callaghan AE3 20, 59 Crew 3 FE
127 Camacho AT1 16, 61 Crew 1 AT’s
128 Cambell AN 44/45 Coffee Mess / First Lieutenant
129 Campbell AW1 36, 48/49 Crew 11 AW’s
130 Carden AN
131 Carter AT3 18 Crew 2
132 Castle AT3 61 AT’s
133 Cathey AW2 16, 48/49 Crew 1 AW’s
134 Chaffin YN3 38 Administration
135 Clark AT2 70 AIMD
136 Clark AZ2 55 Maint Control
137 Clay AO3 66 Corrosion Shop
138 Coffelt AW3 20, 48/49 Crew 3 AW’s
139 Coladonato AMS3 59 FE
140 Cole ADAN
141 Colmer AW3 22, 48/49 Crew 4 AW’s
142 Cook AD2 67 Power Plants
143 Courtney DK1 40
144 Cousins AMH2 63 Airframes
145 Cuento AD3 66, 67 Corrosion Shop Power Plants
146 Cunningham AW3 28, 48/49 Crew 7 AW’s
147 Davis AO1 64/65 Ordnance Shop
148 Davis ADAN 36, 59 Crew 11 FE
149 Davis AMH2 34, 59 Crew 10 FE
150 Demarino AO2
151 Depew AMH2 63 Airframes
152 Derrington AO3 64/65 Ordnance Shop
153 Dewald AO2 64/65 Ordnance Shop
154 Dorpinghaus AE2 30, 59 Crew 8 FE
155 Dozier AE1 20, 59 Crew 3 FE
156 Duplito AD3 70 AIMD
157 Durante AW2 18, 48/49 Crew 2 Operations AW’s
158 Durrance AW2 28, 48/49, 53 Crew 7 AW’s Safety Natops
159 Duszkiewicz AMS2 66 Corrosion Shop
160 Dutrieux AMS2 18, 59 Crew 2 FE
161 Dwyer AMS1 52, 66 COMM/CMS Corrosion Shop
162 Eagle AO1 22, 64/65 Crew 4 Ordnance Shop
163 Edgren AW2 18, 48/49 Crew 2 AW’s
164 Edwards AME3 68 PR/AME Shop
165 Esteves AMSAN 66 Corrosion Shop
166 Ferguson AT2 70 AIMD
167 Ferrera AMS1 63 Airframes
168 Festervand AT3 70 AIMD
169 Fischer PRAN 68, 70 PR/AME Shop AIMD
170 Flinn AO1 34, 64/65 Crew 10 Ordnance Shop
171 Fluegel PH2 26, 50 Crew 6 AIO
172 Fox AT3 61, 70 AT’s AIMD
173 Frees AO2 36, 53, 64/65 Crew 11 Safety Natops Ordnance Shop
174 Garrett AA 44/45 Coffee Mess / First Lieutenant
175 Garver AW2 18, 48/49 Crew 2 AW’s
176 Glenn AE3 60 AE’s
177 Godboldte AD2 67 Power Plants
178 Gonzales AW2 20, 48/49 Crew 3 AW’s
179 Grady MS3 44/45 Coffee Mess / First Lieutenant
180 Grant AA 66 Corrosion Shop
181 Grider ATAN 61 AT’s
182 Grisham AD1 59 FE
183 Hannah AE3 60 AE’s
184 Hanson AWAN 32, 48/49 Crew 9 AW’s
185 Harn AT3 61 AT’s
186 Harris AK3 57 Material Control
187 Hart AW2 48/49 AW’s
188 Hill AO3 16, 64/65 Crew 1 Ordnance Shop
189 Houck AD2 67 Power Plants
190 House PR1 68 PR/AME Shop
191 Housley AN 60 AE’s
192 Howard AMS2
193 Huitt AT2 70 AIMD
194 Hume AT1
195 Jackson AE3 60 AE’s
196 Jacobs AD2 67 Power Plants
197 Jacques AO3 64/65 Ordnance Shop
198 Jones PR3 68, 70 PR/AME Shop AIMD
199 Jones AMSAN
200 Jordan AT3 61 AT’s
201 Julian AE2 28, 59 Crew 7 FE
202 Kidson AO1 28, 64/65 Crew 7 Ordnance Shop
203 Kilmartin AMSAN 63 Airframes
204 Kinchen YN3 38 Administration Operations
205 Kinney AMHAN 63 Airframes
206 Kinney AMH1 36, 59 Crew 11 FE
207 Kirk YN1 38. 52 Administration COMM/CMS
208 Knight AK1 57 Material Control
209 Kosler AMH2 32, 59 Crew 9 FE
210 Lamothe AD1 24, 59 Crew 5 FE
211 Lancaster ADAN 22, 59 Crew 4 FE
212 Lapierre AMS1 24, 59 Crew 5 FE
213 Lee AO1 32 Crew 9
214 Lefemine AW3 20, 48/49 Crew 3 AW’s
215 Leslie PN1 39 Personnel
216 Ling AW1 48/49 AW’s
217 Loge AMSAN 70 AIMD
218 Lundborg AW2 48/49 AW’s
219 Lunsford AN 62 Line Shop
220 Lyles MS2 44/45 Coffee Mess / First Lieutenant
221 Maddock AE3 60 AE’s
222 Marini AE3 60 AE’s
223 Marty AW2 30, 48/49 Crew 8 AW’s
224 Mayberry AW2 26 Crew 6
225 Mayer AD1 67 Power Plants
226 McClafferty ATAN 61, 70 AT’s AIMD
227 McClellan AN 62 Line Shop
228 McClintock AW2 16 Crew 1 Operations
229 McDaniel YN2 38 Administration
230 McDaniel AMS2 63 Airframes
231 McGregor AD3 70 AIMD
232 McLearran AT3 61 AT’s
233 McMullen AD3 67 Power Plants
234 McNeal AZ2 56 Maint Admin
235 Meath AE1 22, 59 Crew 4 FE
236 Medows ADAN 67 Power Plants
237 Mejia MS2 44/45 Coffee Mess / First Lieutenant
238 Metcalfe AT1 22, 61 Crew 4 AT’s
239 Michalak AW3 48/49 AW’s
240 Miller PH3 50 AIO
241 Montana ATAN 70 AIMD
242 Montez AK3 57 Material Control
243 Moore AW2 32, 48/49 Crew 9 AW’s
244 Moss AK3 57 Material Control
245 Moyd ADAN
246 Mullins AN 60 AE’s
247 Neilson AT3 61 AT’s
248 Nelson AME3 68 PR/AME Shop
249 Neri AD1
250 Nguyen ADAN
251 Nuebling AT3
252 O’Leary AE2 59 FE
253 Odell AD2 67 Power Plants
254 Pabona AE3 60 AE’s
255 Pakaki AZ1 56 Maint Admin
256 Perry AN 62 Line Shop
257 Peterson AT2
258 Pettis AMS1 69 QA
259 Plauman ATAN 34, 61 Crew 10 AT’s
260 Prather AW3 28, 48/49 Crew 7 AW’s
261 Probansky AZ1 69 QA
262 Quesada AD2 67 Power Plants
263 Quinones AT1 61 AT’s
264 Ramey AT3 66 Corrosion Shop
265 Ramirez PN3 39 Personnel
266 Randolph AT3 28, 53 Crew 7 Safety Natops
267 Rash AT3 70 AIMD
268 Reynolds AE1 24 Crew 5
269 Reynolds MSSN 44/45 Coffee Mess / First Lieutenant
270 Robinson AKAN 57 Material Control
271 Roper IS2 50 AIO
272 Rovreit AT3 24, 61 Crew 5 AT’s
273 Rowell AE2 70 AIMD
274 Ruleau AME1 68 PR/AME Shop
275 Russ AO2 18, 58 Crew 2 Tool Room
276 Salcido AMH1 28, 59, 69 Crew 7 FE QA
277 Salter AZ2 55 Maint Control
278 Saramo DK2 40
279 Schiele AW3 36, 48/49 Crew 11 AW’s
280 Schmies YNSN 38 Administration Operations
281 Schneider AT3 61 AT’s
282 Schneider AMSAN 66 Corrosion Shop
283 Schraven ADAN 16, 59 Crew 1 FE
284 Seedorf HM2 43 Medical
285 Sevier AT3 61 AT’s
286 Shaffer AT2 70 AIMD
287 Shaw AO2 64/65 Ordnance Shop
288 Sims AW2 48/49 AW’s
289 Sims YN2 38 Administration
290 Singletary AMS1
291 Slone PH3 50 AIO
292 Smith AT2 70 AIMD
293 Snyder AN 44/45 Coffee Mess / First Lieutenant
294 Souls AZ2 69 QA
295 Staley ADAN 58 Tool Room
296 Stamey YN2 38 Administration
297 Stewart AD1
298 Stoddard AW1 48/49 AW’s
299 Stone AS2 62 Line Shop
300 Stroud AT3 70 AIMD
301 Sumerall AO2 26, 64/65 Crew 6 Ordnance Shop
302 Swanson DP1 52 COMM/CMS
303 Takase PN1 39 Personnel
304 Talamoa AE2 60 AE’s
305 Terwilliger AW3 30, 48/49 Crew 8 AW’s
306 Thoemmes AMSAN
307 Thompson AT3 32, 61 Crew 9 AT’s
308 Thompson AT3
309 Thompson AO1 69 QA
310 Towk AOAN 20, 64/65 Crew 3 Ordnance Shop
311 Trimble AW1 47, 48/49 Operations Tactics AW’s
312 Tuggle AMEAN 68 PR/AME Shop
313 Uter AK2 57 Material Control
314 Vanvalkenburgh PC3 42 PC
315 Vaughn AMH2 26, 53, 59 Crew 6 FE Safety Natops
316 Villa AT3 30 Crew 8
317 Wallace AWAN 24, 48/49 Crew 5 AW’s
318 Wareham ATAN 61 AT’s
319 Wareham AW1 22, 48/49 Crew 4 AW’s
320 Warren ATAN 26 Crew 6
321 Warringer AWAN 34 Crew 10
322 Watson AMS3 70 AIMD
323 Wilkins MS3 44/45 Coffee Mess / First Lieutenant
324 Williams AD2 67 Power Plants
325 Wilson AMS1 63 Airframes
326 Wingate AW2 36, 48/49 Crew 11 AW’s
327 Winget AMSAN 63 Airframes
328 Winslow YN3 38 Administration Operations
329 Wiseman MS1 Coffee Mess / First Lieutenant
330 Wood AT2 61 AT’s
331 Wren AE3 70 AIMD
332 Wynn AWAN 48/49 AW’s
333 Yarrington AT1 53 Safety Natops
334 Zavodny AO1 30, 64/65 Crew 8 Ordnance Shop
335 Zuniga AT3 61, 70 AT’s AIMD

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VP-4 Coins

From a Facebook post by Brian LaFlamme

I saw a post almost a year ago about a VP-4 coin. I would like to see this happen so I have been working with to come up with a design (Skinny Dragon on the front and a P-3 flying over Oahu on the back. The attached photos show the design, the diagonal edge, and an example of the 3D look.
I am not selling these coins as I do not want to make a profit, so I am looking for “donations” to cover the cost of the coin, packaging, and postage. However, I need a minimum of 100 people to make this happen. Based on the cost of the coin, packaging, postage, I expect the per coin cost at ~$15.00. The only thing I do not have worked out is the “donation”, e.g., payment by check to a PO Box or by PayPay through a friend’s website. Any suggestions are appreciated.
Let’s do this!!!

Coin Specifics:
Material: Bronze soft enamel;
Size:1.75″, diameter, round shape;
Color: 5c on front, without color on back;
Diagonal cut edge (as attached photo);
Antique silver plating; and
3 sides polishing.

Hardware Replacement Options Paper

The IT department is implementing a new customer relationship management (CRM) solution to its corporate offices. The current hardware is outdated, and cannot support the new CRM application. The hardware must be replaced prior to deployment.  This paper will discuss the issues related to this project.

  • How do the five major variables of project management—scope, time, cost, quality, and risk—relate to this scenario?
    • Scope: All work related to the hardware replacement must be correctly defined prior to purchasing any equipment. With a proper Scope of Work (SOW), each step of the project is clearly defined, and cost overruns can be limited. A SOW. Details out the project scope, that is what items are going to be installed and why, project assumptions, responsibilities for the different people, groups, or departments, criteria for the project completion, and documentation for project Change Control Management (CCM).
    • Time: Businesses must ensure that the procurement timeline is well-defined, and adhered to. If the timeline is rushed, some items may not be configured correctly or fully tested. If time deadlines are not met, the project budget could be wasted needlessly.
    • Cost: Cost analysis must include information beyond just the price of hardware and operating systems. Additional costs may include, but are not limited to: Server rack storage space, additional costs for data center cooling and increased power consumption. Using Microsoft CRM as an example the minimum hardware specifications include five different server platforms. Depending on the size of the company involved the capital expenditures can easily outweigh the benefits of new hardware. Consideration must also be given to secondary software applications like backup solutions and virus protection.
    • Quality: Hardware replacement project needs to identify if the business will benefit from an on premise solution, or if going with a hosted or cloud solution would provide a better quality CRM environment. The project will need to identify if the hardware being purchased meets or exceeds the minimum specifications for the CRM software, and will continue to be a viable platform for an extended period of time (3 to 5 years).
    • Risk: The project plan needs to identify if bringing new hardware systems into the existing environment could adversely affect the existing network infrastructure. For example: if the businesses current network environment is a Windows 2000 active directory domain, how will bringing in new servers (Windows 2008 R2) affect or even work with the existing active directory infrastructure.
  • What considerations must be applied when selecting projects that deliver the best business value?
    • There are many project costs and benefits considerations that must be applied to ensure that business value is enhanced, and not degraded by hardware upgrade project. Are the internal rate of return (IRR), and the return on investment (ROI) values high enough across the short-term and long-term to outweigh the capital investment for new equipment. Costs include: Implementation costs such as networking equipment, operating system licensing, and server chassis costs. Operational costs such as operating staff load with new servers to manage, hardware maintenance contracts, facility cost increases, and administrator and in the user training for the new CRM application. Tangible benefits include: increased productivity due to faster servers and improvements in CRM applications, and reduce costs in maintaining outdated server equipment. Intangible benefits include: Increased organizational flexibility, and improved operations due to the new features included in a modern CRM system.
  • What factors that influence project risk? What strategies would you recommend for minimizing this project’s risks?
    • Project risk is influenced by the structure of the project, the project size, and the technical expertise of the project team and IS staff (Laudon & Laudon, 2009). The larger the project, the higher the risks associated with that project. In turn, a very complex project is also a higher rate of risk than a simple project. For example, the project plan for changing brakes on a car has a much lower risk rate than the project plan for building a kit car. The skill level or technical expertise of the IT staff and project team also affect the risks in a given IT project like a CRM hardware replacement plan.

To help alleviate some of the risks associated with this project. I would recommend assigning a project manager to oversee the entire hardware purchase process. The use of a Program Evaluation and Review Technique (PERT) chart will help ensure that the entire plan remains on task and on time. A PERT chart not only lists out the start and completion dates for assigned activities, but it also lists out the various task dependencies and how each task can be affected by the success or failure of one of the dependencies. The use of an application like Microsoft project includes tools to help automate the creation of a Gantt or PERT chart. Status updates can easily be generated from Microsoft project to help keep all of the teams involved in the hardware replacement plan informed of where the project is at any given time. Early on in the process it should be determined if having the CRM system hosted on premise makes good business sense in comparison to having the CRM hosted in the cloud.

We Walked Away

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Sometime in the summer of 1959 I flew on one of our assigned missions as a member of a U.S. Navy Patrol Plane aircrew. Our mission was to locate and tag shipping traffic in or around the East China Sea. To tag was to identify the ship, note its deck cargo, take its picture, identify the rigging such as masts, kingposts, funnels (smokestacks), and note the architecture of the deck structure. Our home base was at the U.S. Air Force base, Naha, Okinawa. Just before dawn, that morning, we took off from Naha, and were to return that evening. Some of our flights terminated in places such as Japan, Luzon, Taiwan, or other locations. On this one, we were to return to Naha.

We flew north, that day, up to southern Japan, then over to the Yellow Sea, and back down the China coast to Okinawa. The trip took ten hours. I don’t recall anything special about the patrol itself. Our problem started when we arrived back at Naha. At that time, we were at the point of starting to use our fuel reserve. That was a term used to indicate that we had about two and one half hours of flying time left before we ran out completely. There was absolutely no reason to worry, until we were told by Naha Control Tower that the field had just been closed because of dense fog and inclement weather. Naha told us to go up to Kadena Air Force base, which was about twenty miles north of Naha. We called Kadena on our radio and asked for landing instructions. Kadena said we’d better hurry because their field was becoming socked in also. It took only about five minutes to get to Kadena, then they informed us that their field had just closed, We called Naha again to see if there was any change. Naha told us that the weather had let up a little. They said they were moving the GCA (Ground Controlled Approach) unit to the other end of the field, and that they could probably bring us in when it was moved. Naha had us circle for a few minutes while they moved the GCA unit.

In the meantime, we informed both Kadena and Naha that we were just beginning to use our fuel reserve. The nearest other place to land, in the entire Pacific Ocean and East China Sea was in southern Japan. That trip would take us two and one half hours. So, it was a tossup whether or not we could make it there. If we did not land soon, the pilot said we would probably have to ditch at sea. Naha then told us they had successfully moved the GCA unit, and that they were at borderline landing conditions. They started bringing us in. Before we even got close, Naha informed us they had, again, gone below the GCA minimums for landing. We could not land there. We were just about ready to attempt to make the trip to Japan, although we probably would not have made it, when Kadena called us and said we could land there. We headed north again, and Kadena Ground Control started bringing us in for landing. We were in heavy fog, and could not see anything. Listening to the UHF radio, I could hear the GCA person bringing us in. If you have ever heard one talking, you will think he was vaccinated with a phonograph needle. During the final few minutes, you are talked down with constant, almost uninterrupted dialogue. It sounds something like, “You are now on the glide path, keep your nose up. You are drifting left, turn right two degrees. Your heading is proper, you are fifty feet high, bring it down. You are now on proper heading and glide slope. Keep it there. You are now three miles from the end of the runway, doing well. Your nose just went high, bring it down. You are two miles from touchdown. You’re drifting right. Bring it back. You . . . etc. etc.” The directions and corrections keep coming and coming.


Finally, at some point, the controller tells you that you are over the end of the runway, and that you should be able to see it. Well when he told us that, we couldn’t see anything. For what seemed like minutes, but was probably only seconds, we still failed to see anything. I was thinking we would be colliding with something very soon. Soon the pilot said to the copilot, “I don’t see the damn runway, do you? The copilot said, “I don’t see it either” The controller said that we had to see it by then. Suddenly the pilot said, “I see it!” We were all relieved, whew! But the copilot said, “That’s not the runway, that’s a taxiway.” Pilot said, “Let’s land on it anyhow. If we crash, we might survive.” I think everyone in the crew was happy with that decision. In a few seconds I could feel the touchdown. We still couldn’t see too well, but could determine that it was very narrow and bumpy. We had a roller coaster ride while the propellers were thrown into reverse pitch to slow us down. We still couldn’t see very far ahead, but finally we slowed enough to perform a normal taxi down to the parking area. Everyone in the crew thanked the pilots for the wonderful job of bringing us in. There is an old saying in military aviation. It goes, “Any landing you can walk away from is a good landing.” We walked away. That was one of the best landings I ever experienced.


Mao Tse Tung’s Airspace

YD-1In March of 1959, I was on my second mission as a Combat Aircrewman in a large U.S. Navy patrol aircraft. I, and ten other men comprised the crew. I had been an aircrewman in a previous squadron of smaller aircraft, and had many hundreds of hours as a search-radar operator, along with several other aircrew jobs. My first mission with the new squadron was uneventful, so much so, that I don’t recall anything in particular about it. On this day’s mission I was to serve as radar operator, the long-range eyes for the entire flight crew. Our mission was to leave our home base at Naha, Okinawa, patrol an area of the East China Sea up toward Japan, then back down past Okinawa, and through the Formosa Straits to southern Taiwan. The mission started off in an ominous manner, however, because the navigator told me as he sat down at his table beside my position, that I was not to talk to the pilot about anything, without going through him first. This was not standard procedure, but I could not argue with him, as he was a Lieutenant Junior Grade, and I was a mere first class petty officer. I had bad feelings about that deal, even before we left the ground.

Our leg up to Japan was routine. We scoured the seas looking for, and plotting the presence of shipping traffic. The radar usually picked up the ships at a range of one hundred miles or more, long before anyone could see them. Then the radar operator would vector the pilot toward the ship in question so we could take pictures, record data about deck cargo, plot the position, speed, etc. On this mission, the only way I could talk to the pilot, without going through the navigator, was if he contacted me first. Occasionally, the navigator would ask me for a “radar fix” to some prominent point of land, so he could cross-check his dead reckoning navigation, or his skills at using a device called LORAN. Sometimes he would use a sextant to observe the stars through a plexiglass dome above our heads. We finished our northbound leg, and headed south down past Okinawa, and on to Taiwan. After about nine hours of flight time, we entered the Formosa Straits, a channel separating Taiwan from mainland China. Scattered all along the China coast were very prominent rock formations that presented very distinct radar presentations. If you have a map of the coast, and the radar is functioning, you get an absolute fix on your location.

About half way down the straits, the navigator asked me for a fix to “point Chevrolet”. Those prominent rock formations were called, by our American crews, by the names of American automobiles. There were Oldsmobile, Ford, Plymouth, etc. Each had its own unique radar presentation which exactly matched the visual presentation on the navigation charts. I maneuvered the radar bearing cursor around to Chevrolet, and ran the range strobe out to its distance. Then I told the navigator the range and bearing to “point Chevrolet”. He grabbed his dividers and compass and applied them to his big navigation chart, then with an air of superiority, gave me a supercilious look of disbelief and disdain. He was too good a navigator, in his mind, to believe my precise location, which did not agree with his superior navigation. At that time we were too far from any land to see anything, and we had also encountered thick fog. We were flying in the “soup”, as aviators like to say. We were supposed to be heading almost due south through the straits, but I could see we were drifting west toward the China coast. There was no immediate worry, however.

We were bound by international rules to observe the twelve-mile limit on approaches to China, as well as other countries in the area. As we continued on through the straits, five or ten minutes passed, and the navigator asked me for a fix to “point Plymouth”. I obtained that fix, and reported it to him. He plotted it on his chart and just shook his head. I looked very determined back at him, and he said, “You’re wrong. We’re sixty miles from there.” He showed me where he thought we were. A person who had no experience at all could see by the radar that we were not located where he said we were. But he could not see the radar scope from his position. Well, there was still no immediate concern, as we were still about twenty miles from the China coast. We were still in dense fog, otherwise the pilot would have seen the coast. But, I could not tell him, due to my orders from the navigator. We flew on some more, and when we were about to cross the twelve-mile limit, I told the navigator that we were about to cross. He just shook his head, feeling sorry for that poor incompetent radar operator.

A few more minutes went by, and I was getting scared. China would shoot us down if we got too close. As we approached the three-mile limit, still in dense fog, I shouted to the navigator, “We’re three miles from the coast. We’d better tell the pilot to turn away.” Again, he ignored me. About that time, I panicked. I jumped up and told the navigator, “Sir, look at this radar scope. If you don’t tell the pilot to turn, I’m going to bail out.” The navigator casually got up, slowly stepped to the scope, and looked. Then he jumped back to his seat and hastily called the pilot on the intercom. He tried to say in a calm voice, “Pilot from Navigator. Sir, there seems to be a controversy between the radar operator and myself. Please turn ninety degrees to port for a while.” The pilot immediately turned away from the coast. By the time we got turned away, we had flown one half mile inland into Red China. Even then, the fog was too thick for the pilot to know we had overflown the mainland.

It was only about thirty seconds after our turn that our radio operator picked up a message for us directly from the Pentagon Building, relayed via San Francisco, Honolulu, and Iwakuni, Japan. The radio operator told the pilot that we had an urgent encrypted message from Naval Headquarters at the Pentagon. The pilot said, “Well, decrypt it and read it to me.” The pilot still did not know of our close call. We were still in the fog. The radio operator decrypted the message, then read it to the pilot. It said, “The United States of America has just received its one hundred and fifty-first serious warning for violation of Chinese Communist airspace. You violated that airspace. China informs us that you would have been shot down in another thirty seconds, if you had not veered away.” Well, you can’t believe how irked the pilot was, at the radar operator. He came back over the intercom and asked me, “Radar, what in the hell is the matter with you? I can’t believe you didn’t see the Chinese coast on the radar. I’m going to have your butt. Why in God’s name didn’t you tell me?” He also used a lot of cuss words, vernaculars, etc., and I couldn’t blame him a bit.

I was glad to tell the pilot about my orders from the navigator, and that I had tried to convince him of our situation for more than thirty minutes. The pilot came back on the intercom with, “Oh, I see now. Radar, I’m sorry I jumped all over you. I understand your dilemma.” I said, “Thank you sir.” The pilot then added, “Radar, whenever you’re flying with me, you have my permission to talk to me anytime, anyplace, for any reason, regardless of anything anyone else says. Do you understand?” I told him I did. That was good, because we stayed together as a crew most of the time. He reestablished my faith in our ability to function properly. Then the pilot said, “Navigator, I’ll see you in my quarters immediately after we land. Do you understand?” The navigator meekly said, “Aye aye, sir.” We landed at our destination, Tainan, a small Chinese Nationalist Airbase in southern Taiwan. As most of the crew was caring for our aircraft, we could see the navigator following the pilot to his quarters. Of course I do not know what the pilot, a Lieutenant Commander, had to say to the navigator, but I can make a good guess. That navigator stayed with our crew for quite a while longer, and he never again caused me any trouble, or doubted any of my radar observations.


Ronald Moore

The Mountain Looms

P-2 NeptuneSometime during the summer of 1959 I was on one of our missions as a Combat Aircrewman in a U.S. Navy patrol aircraft patrolling the East China Sea. Our mission, that day, was to depart our home base at Naha, Okinawa, patrol thousands of square miles of ocean to plot shipping traffic, and land at Tainan, Taiwan. After ten hours of patrol, we were approaching our destination of Tainan. About an hour before, we had encountered scattered clouds, and as we got within approximately seventy-five miles of our destination, we flew into broken clouds. Visibility was very poor, as we broke out of the cloud cover only occasionally. Our pilot called Tainan Approach Control for a radar guided approach to the Chinese Nationalist airbase at Tainan. The person who responded to us was a Chinese controller who spoke broken English. This was not uncommon, and usually caused no problems. This time, it was different, however. The controller then asked us to shut down our radar as it interfered with his. I, as radar operator, did not like that, but it couldn’t be helped. We were then flying blind with our only eyes being many miles away at the control site.

The Chinese controller first told us to transmit a certain code on our IFF, which was a means of identifying certain aircraft on his radar scope. He then told us to turn left and transmit a different code. After a few seconds, the controller said he had our location spotted. He then told us to descend from twenty-five hundred feet to fifteen hundred feet, and take a heading of 180 degrees. We were in dense cloud cover as we descended, and were still in it when we got there. The controller let us fly 180 degrees for a few minutes, then told us to turn left to 095 degrees. We were to fly that heading for ten minutes, at which time he would give us a new heading. We had flown the heading about five minutes, breaking out of the cloud cover once or twice for a few seconds. We had another five minutes to fly, when we broke out of the cloud cover again. We were headed directly for a collision with a five thousand-foot mountain which was about one quarter mile ahead. I was looking through the cockpit, and could see the mountain directly ahead, It looked like we couldn’t possibly miss it. The pilot turned the aircraft violently to the left, as we pulled five Gs, just barely missing some rocks and trees. It’s really difficult to say how close we got, but it was close enough to see individual leaves on the trees. Then we were back in the clouds again.

As we pulled out of our close call, the pilot called Tainan Approach Control, told them of our mishap, and asked for an American controller to bring us in. Quickly, an American speaking controller took over, and began locating us. He had us send our code over the IFF again, three times, with course changes in between. The new controller said he had us located, which was a spot about fifty-five miles from where the Chinese controller said we were. Our pilot asked him if he was sure, because he said, “We can’t afford another close call with a five thousand-foot mountain.” The American controller assured us that he had us located. Indeed he did, because he brought us into the control of GCA, which is Ground Controlled Approach, who brought us in for a successful landing under the adverse visual conditions.





Radar ScreenIn October 1959 I was the radar operator in a U.S. Navy Patrol Plane aircrew, consisting of myself and ten other souls.  We were performing a routine, night patrol in the East China Sea.  Our location was approximately

200 miles north of Taipei, Taiwan, and 150 miles east of the China coast. We were flying in scattered clouds at an altitude of 2500 feet with broken clouds below. The time was a few minutes before midnight. We had been flying for two to three uneventful hours when we were “intercepted”. Interception was a term used when we were closely approached by aircraft from an unfriendly or unidentified source. Interceptions were not frequent, nor were they rare either. Within the realm of general   knowledge, this was the first incident of a nighttime interception. Whenever an interception occurred, we were required to make immediate notifications to several of our military superiors via radio communications.


We had endured many minutes of humdrum silence punching holes in the sky when the incident started. The pilot broke the silence when he casually asked the copilot “Did you see that light?”. The copilot responded “What light?”. “It just passed across the bow from left to right” said the pilot. “No, I didn’t see any light” said the copilot. A minute more of silence passed, when the copilot stated “I see a light.  It’s at one o’clock right now.” The pilot responded “I see it also.”  The light then disappeared into some clouds.


I had been constantly monitoring radar and had not seen anything unusual until the copilot located the light at one o’clock.  At that time, I picked up a small radar blip at one o’clock at a distance of eight miles from our aircraft.  From that time until the end of this incident I had constant radar contact with this item.


As the contact had disappeared into the clouds at the one o’clock position, visual contact was lost, but I still had radar contact.  I kept telling the crew exactly where it was at all times.  It flew from one o’clock to two o’clock to three o’clock, etc. When it reached a position of five o’clock, it broke out of the cloud cover and was spotted by our aft observer. The observer said “I see the light at five o’clock.”  Several other crew members also spotted it at that time. It was at this time that our pilot decided that we did have an interception.  He ordered our radio operator to send the appropriate messages; then we took some evasive actions.


We descended deep into the cloud cover to an altitude of 200 feet and increased our speed from 200 knots to 325 knots.  The contact followed us down and continued to circle. As we were in dense broken clouds, we emerged only occasionally.  Whenever we broke out, the contact would be visually located by various members of the crew exactly where the radar located it. There was never a disparity between the radar and the visual sightings. The contact was flying complete circles around us in a time of 30 seconds while maintaining a distance of eight miles.  This calculates to a speed of about 6000 miles per hour.


Immediately upon the realization that we had been intercepted, we headed south toward Taipei. The contact continued to circle us while maintaining an eight-mile distance. The complete encirclements continued to take 30 seconds. Visual sightings and radar locations continued to reinforce each other.  After 20 minutes of attempted evasion, we were about 50 miles from Taiwan. At that time our radar picked up a squadron of Chinese Nationalist F-86 Sabre-jet fighters that had been dispatched to our aid. I could see the F-86s and the unknown contact all on the radar scope. As the F-86s approached us to within 10 miles, the unknown contact veered off and headed toward the China coast. The F-86s apparently had some kind of awareness of the contact, as they attempted to follow, but it was hopeless. I had radar contact with the unknown target for only a couple more sweeps.  The contact’s departure speed was calculated at an incredible 25,000 miles per hour. It is stressed that during this incident, every member of the crew saw this light numerous times, and that every visual sighting agreed with the radar location.


That was the end of the incident except that on the following day, the Pilot, the Navigator and I had to meet with the Admiral’s staff aboard his flagship, be questioned, and be talked into the concept that we had experienced nothing at all.


Ronald C. Moore ATC USN (Ret.)


SERE PatchSERE stands for Survival, Evasion, Resistance, and Escape. I lost 16 pounds which I could not afford to lose that week. I was only @ 135 pounds when it started.  I don’t recall how many of us were in the class, but I would guess the number was somewhere around twenty. The senior student was a Lieutenant Commander whose name I never knew. There were a couple other junior officers also. I was a First Class Petty Officer among several others in the class. There were two Chief Petty Officers if I recall correctly. The remainder of the sailors were PO2s, PO3s, and a few Airmen. During the classroom portion of the course we had several lectures pertaining to our survival if we were captured by an enemy. We saw two or three movies based upon actual P.O.W. experiences in WWII and Korea. We were fully convinced by those films that anyone could be broken if the enemy concentrated upon him. The point was, that if caught we should put up as much resistance as possible, especially during our first few interrogations. The enemy would most likely concentrate upon the weaker of the prisoners, particularly those who might have the knowledge they desired.


After a half-day of classroom lectures at North Island, California, we were transported to Warner Springs to start the field-training. We were put into an area of @ ½ mile wide by 1 mile long, with “Freedom Village” at the end of the mile. There were high cliffs on the right edge, and a tall barbed wire fence on the left border. The course itself was comprised of thick brush, dense trees, rocky out-croppings, and a few open spots. They told us not to go out of bounds, or we might regret it.  To the right of the course you would have had to have been a mountain goat to scale the high cliffs there, so no one did that. I later learned that two of our fellow students crossed over the barbed wire fence to the left. They were immediately arrested by two armed guards who were attached to the California Penal Colony there. No, we were not told about the prison. The guards knew what was occurring, but they acted as if they had captured two runaway prisoners. The navy let them remain in prison custody for a day or so.  They learned their lesson.


I was a couple hundred yards down the course when I heard someone coming toward me. I crawled down behind a bunch of rocks covered with thick brush. They had told us in the classroom to NOT respond to any voices that said something like, “Come on out! I see you!” They said that the enemy would say something like that even when they saw no one.  They said that in the past, when some instructor said something like that, five or six guys would pop up, thinking they had been spotted. Well, I did not take the bait. I stayed where I was. I heard the voice a couple more times, but remained hidden. Suddenly I felt the rifle butt crash into my ribs. It was then that I knew I had been caught. The instructor tied my thumbs behind me, and they transferred me to the prison camp.


They threw me into the prison compound yard with many others who had been caught. In the end we learned that all but one of our fellow students had been nabbed. There was one CPO who made it through without getting apprehended.  Unless he had the training previously, he probably missed out on the true intent of the class. We milled around in the prison yard, not knowing what to do. We had a muster every fifteen minutes or so. I don’t know why I was the one who was picked, but a CPO, who was supposedly one of our fellow prisoners told me that there was an escape tunnel under the toilet in the outhouse. He said that all I had to do was to lift the loose boards in front of the one-holer, and sneak out the tunnel. He said that it had an exit which was about 100 yards outside the prison yard.  Well, I went into the outhouse to determine if that was true.


Just as the Chief had said, there were a couple of loose boards in the floor.  When I lifted them away, I could see the tunnel entrance. Quickly I scooted into the tunnel, and began to crawl. About ten feet from my entrance I heard something go “speeewww”.  Then I could see some kind of fuse being consumed. Soon the tunnel was filled with dense, orange smoke. I was too scared to go on, and too scared to exit, but I could not remain in the terrible smoke.  So, I came back into the outhouse.  While I had been in the tunnel, I could hear a muster going on outside. When they got to my name, no one answered. I heard voices saying things like “I wonder where that S.O.B. went.” By the time I returned, that particular muster had been completed several minutes before. A few minutes later they held another muster.  That time they had one more person than the muster before. One of the instructors said, “I wonder who is here that was not here before.” They looked down the row, and guess what?  I was covered from head to toe in a bright orange dye of some kind.


The instructor asked, “Hey you, how did you get all that orange color?” I made the mistake of being a “wiseguy”. I told him that I was Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer.  That did it for me! They took me to the torture box which was a box just large enough to cram a person into. Since I was not very large, they placed a large wooden spacer atop my back. They closed the lid, and told me that when I was ready to talk, to holler out.  I could not move my body, head, legs, or feet. I did have a little freedom to move my hands a sight amount.  I had always had claustrophobia, so the confines of the box just about panicked me. The only thing that might have kept me sane was that there was a slight crack between two planks of the box. I could see some of the outside surroundings.


I stayed in the box an hour or so, I think. I could hear what sounded like people being tortured. Every so often someone would come by and ask me if I was ready to talk. I told them no, but if they had blown some cigarette smoke into the box, I would have cracked. As I said, I have claustrophobia, but I was not about to tell them that.  They kept me in the box for a while longer, then someone came by and let me out.


I was directed into a small building which was the interrogation center. When I got there, many of my fellow students were already there watching the interrogation of the class’s senior student from the visual side of a one-way mirror. He was the LCDR that I mentioned. They were beating him, spitting on him, calling him names, calling his wife a whore, and all kinds of other things. I did not know how long they had been at the task. I watched it for only about fifteen minutes before they broke him.  He started crying, and telling them ANYTHING and EVERYTHING they wanted to know.  All of us who were watching felt very sorry for him, but at the same time grateful that it was not one of us.  It seemed to me that because of his breakdown, he would probably never go much higher in rank.


I can’t remember much else about the mountain phase of the school. Shortly after that, they took us back to North Island for the water phase which involved swimming tests, grunion hunting, deep-sea helicopter water rescues, and several other activities.  That’s another story.

RC Moore

The End

Soviet Battleship


Not the actual ship

Not the actual ship

We were on a routine patrol in the East China Sea. I was the radar operator in a U.S. Navy patrol aircraft which had ten other members. Our job, that day, was to patrol thousands of square miles of ocean and record data about shipping in the area. The usual routine was that the radar operator first picked up surface ships as blips on the radar, then vectored the pilot to intercept them. We then got as close as we could, and took pictures, recorded information about deck cargo, number of masts, number of smokestacks, and the architecture of the deck structure. The radar usually picked up these ships about one hundred miles or more from our aircraft, much farther than anyone could see.


Most of the day was routine. We were in clouds part of the time, then we ran into an area of dense fog. Bad weather and fog were no problems for the radar, however. We could still pick up the shipping targets and vector in on them. We had been flying in the dense fog for a little while when I picked up the largest radar blip, except for land masses, I had ever seen. The target first appeared at a range of one hundred and fifty miles. I informed the pilot about it, and he told me to vector him to it. This was standard procedure in our patrol operations. I gave the pilot a heading to the unknown large target, and he turned to intercept it. We were still in dense fog, but occasionally broke out for a few seconds of short visibility. I kept giving the pilot heading information on this large target, which became even larger as we got closer. At approximately fifty miles, I could see certain interference of the radar scope, indicating the target was emanating some kind of electromagnetic radiations, probably from a radar of its own.


We kept flying toward the large target for about fifteen minutes. As I was telling the pilot about this being the largest shipping target I had ever seen, he said that it must be a large military ship. We knew that there were no friendly military ships in the area. We had to determine what it was. We kept flying toward this target, knowing that we were not supposed to approach any country’s man-of-war ship within three miles. If we did, we could be shot down. At ten miles, our Electronics Countermeasures Operator reported that a fire-control radar had locked in on us. Still we kept going. At three and one half miles, we broke out of the fog, and saw it immediately. It was a Russian Battleship. Every gun on the ship was aimed at us, and was tracking us as we moved. My radar scope was saturated with spots, blips, hash and snow, caused by electronic radiations of some description. We immediately broke away before entering the three mile limit.


We reported this to our superiors via radio. They informed us that the Russians did not have a battleship. But there it was, a battleship flying the Russian flag. We did not have time to take a picture, as we had to get away before being fired upon. I do not know, to this day, if our superiors ever believed us or not. We were very lucky that we did not enter the three mile limit surrounding the battleship.


Lost contacts

Below is a table of all the shipmates we had contact information for in the past, but as of January 27, 2015 none of the contact information we had was valid.

If you see a shipmate on here, AND you have good contact information for that person, please contact the VP-4 Association Database Admin via email and send us their contact info.

Lost Contacts by name
Last Name First Name Service Years
Barnes Jr. Charles R. VP4 65-67
Beecham III Harry J. VP4 81-84
Blackburn Michael VP4 82-84
Blair Boyd L. VP4 54-57
Brown Jerried VP4 70-73
Brummitt William VP4 47-51
Burkholder Charles D. VP4 82-82
Burns Joel A. VP4 83-86
Burrows Lynn VP4 78-82
Buser John VP4 07-09
Carey William L. VP4 79-82
Carr Gary VP4 77-80
Cheyney David VP4 83-88 and 91-94
Cogan Michael VP4 64-66
Cole Jr. Calvin C. VP4 66-68
Conrad David F. VP4 83-84
Delia Anthony G. VP4 82-85
DeLuca Mark A. VP4 81-84
Dietrich Robert VP4 86-88
Downs Arthur VP4 81-84
Edgecomb Richard W. VP4 77-80
Edwards James VP4 72-75
Elliott Marc VP4 79-82
Erickson Richard C. VP4 83-86
Farley Leslie VP4 79-82
Farrar Charles E. VP4 47-51
Fowler Richard L. VP4 56-57
Gallinger Warren L. VP4 75-78
Guyle James D. VP4 62-64
Johnson Thomas VP4 80-83
Keefer Jack VP4 74-77
Keller Richard F. VP4 81-84
Kruse Terry S. VP4 76-79
LaBeouf Alan VP4 82-85
LaPierre Valmore VP4 63-67
Largo Ed VP4 57-59
Leslie George R. VP4 83-84
Levenhagen Marcy W. VP4 91-95
Linder Darryl O. VP4 81-84
Lovings Elmer A. VP4 61-63
Lowe James VP4 74-77
Lucio Robert E. VP4 75-75
Lyons Scott K. VP4 78-81
Martinez Victor A. VP4 81-84
McCarthy Mike VP4 71-74
McCrindle Adriana VP4 93-97
McQuilkin Roger W. VP4 79-84
Megow Randy VP4 93-93
Meighen Thomas J. VP4 66-68
Mikkila John A. VP4 81-84
Nast Bruce VP4 86-89
Nicholson Randy VP4 81-84
Piotrowski Francis S. VP4 83-86
Rawson George VP4 99-99
Remke Robert J. VP4 80-83
Revai Joseph W. VP4 77-80
Reynolds Thomas VP4 60-65
Robinson Charles VP4 53-55
Russell William F. VP4 83-86
Salyers William J. VP4 79-83
Short Randal VP4 83-84
Smith Richard J.W. VP4 56-58
Smith Donald A. VP4 79-81
Spoerl Dave VP4 94-97
Stephenson Mark VP4 93-99
Stevich David L. VP4 83-86
Stivers Charles VP4 75-79
Stubbs Jelani VP4 79-79
Tattan Michael D. VP4 84-87
Thomason James VP4 83-86
Vance William A. VP4 75-76
Vanoss Henry P. VP4 83-86
Vaughn John VP4 59-62
Winters Phillip A. VP4 83-86
Yeager Albert VP4 57-59
Yoder Gregory J. VP4 79-80
Zemaitis Steven VP4 95-98


Email if you have good current contact information on any of the shipmates listed above.


VP-4 fly-by 15 Nov 2014

A U.S. Navy P-3C Orion maritime patrol aircraft from to the Skinny Dragons of Patrol Squadron (VP) 4 conducts a fly-by with the guided-missile destroyer USS Cole (DDG 67). Cole is conducting naval operations in the U.S. 6th Fleet area of responsibility in support of U.S. national security interests in Europe. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communications Specialist 2nd Class John Herman/Released)

A U.S. Navy P-3C Orion maritime patrol aircraft from to the Skinny Dragons of Patrol Squadron (VP) 4 conducts a fly-by with the guided-missile destroyer USS Cole (DDG 67). Cole is conducting naval operations in the U.S. 6th Fleet area of responsibility in support of U.S. national security interests in Europe. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communications Specialist 2nd Class John Herman/Released)

A U.S. Navy P-3C Orion maritime patrol aircraft attached to the "Skinny Dragons" of Patrol Squadron FOUR (VP 4) conducts a fly by with USS Cole (DDG 67). Cole, an Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyer homeported in Norfolk, is conducting naval operations in the U.S. 6th Fleet area of operations in support of U.S. national security interests in Europe. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communications Specialist 2nd Class John Herman/Released)

A U.S. Navy P-3C Orion maritime patrol aircraft attached to the “Skinny Dragons” of Patrol Squadron FOUR (VP 4) conducts a fly by with USS Cole (DDG 67). Cole, an Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyer homeported in Norfolk, is conducting naval operations in the U.S. 6th Fleet area of operations in support of U.S. national security interests in Europe. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communications Specialist 2nd Class John Herman/Released)


New photos of VP-4 for 29 October 2014

Here are a couple of new images of our VP-4 shipmates.

Aviation Ordnanceman Airman Brandon Cardon signals to the pilots of Patrol Squadron 4's (VP-4) P-3C Orion maritime patrol aircraft that he has armed the aircrafts countermeasure dispensing system. VP-4 is conducting naval operations in the U.S. 6th Fleet area of operations in support of U.S. national security interests in Europe. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Devin Menhardt/Released)

Aviation Ordnanceman Airman Brandon Cardon signals to the pilots of Patrol Squadron 4’s (VP-4) P-3C Orion maritime patrol aircraft that he has armed the aircrafts countermeasure dispensing system. VP-4 is conducting naval operations in the U.S. 6th Fleet area of operations in support of U.S. national security interests in Europe. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Devin Menhardt/Released)

Sailors assigned to Patrol Squadron Four (VP-4) and Capt. Lance Scott, commodore Wing 2, pose for a photo for the Navy's 239th birthday. VP-4 is conducting naval operations in the U.S. 6th Fleet area of operations in support of U.S. national security interests in Europe. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Devin Menhardt/Released)

Sailors assigned to Patrol Squadron Four (VP-4) and Capt. Lance Scott, commodore Wing 2, pose for a photo for the Navy’s 239th birthday. VP-4 is conducting naval operations in the U.S. 6th Fleet area of operations in support of U.S. national security interests in Europe. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Devin Menhardt/Released)


Alfred E. Plance Jr. ATRAN VP-4 1961 – 1963

Alfred Ellsworth Plance, JR, 70 of Burgettstown, died Thursday, March 21, 2013 in UPMC Presbyterian Hospital, Pittsburgh.

He was born October 22, 1942, a son of the late Alfred E. and Mary Stevenson Plance, SR.

Prior to retirement, Mr. Plance was employed as a medical equipment technician for Sybron-Castle in Rochester, NY.
He was a U.S. Navy veteran.
Mr. Plance enjoyed farming, woodworking, and the outdoors.
His first wife, Judy Tennant Plance died in 1990.
Surviving is his current wife, Joy Stanley Plance, his 3 sons, Chris Plance of Des Moines, Iowa, Tim (Shawnna) Plance of Burgettstown, and Steven Plance of Pittsburgh, 3 grandchildren, Cole, Adrian, and Jake Plance, his sister, Ann Marie (Lou) Gamber of Gibsonia.
Friends will be received from 2-4 & 6-8 PM Sunday, March 24, 2013, in Taucher Funeral Home, 23 Erie Mine Road, Burgettstown, where services will be held at 11:00 AM Monday, March 25 with the Rev. Dan Ekas officiating. Interment will follow in Grandview Cemetery, Florence.




P-8 Briefing at VP-4 reunion

From John Larson:

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Sept. 9, 2013

Greetings everyone,

I attended the VP-4 reunion this past weekend in Seattle, WA. We were scheduled to get a tour of the Boeing Redding plant where the P-8 is being assembled. Since we had such a large group, we were not allowed at the plant for security reasons.

So we had a briefing at the Museum of Flight at Boeing Field. The Boeing rep was a former TACCO in VP-4. He was in VP-4 during the late 1990’s. Some of this info will be a repeat of what I put out before.

So far VP-30, VP-16, and VP-5 have P-8’s. 10 planes have been delivered and they have flown 6000hrs and 1000 operational and training sorties since Feb 2012. VP-16 will deploy to Kadena, Okinawa this coming Dec.

The Mission systems are: updated multi-mode radar (7 modes), electro optics, ESM, acoustics; can monitor 64 sonobuoys. It has self-protection = chaff and flares. It missions will be ASW, ASuW, ISR, Maritime, and C-3.

The aircraft will carry 126 sonobuoys. There are 3 launchers that can hold 10 buoys each. They are pressurized; don’t have to depressurize the plane. There are individual tubes to launch buoys too. The new sonos will be more accurate and Boeing says there is no need for a mad boom now.

There is a weapons bay aft of the wings. It can hold 5 MK-52 torpedoes. There are 4 wing stations that will hold harpoon missiles.

There is a laser under the tail that is used for protection against inbound missiles.

The airplane has two engines generators and the apu has one. It will have 150% of the power required.

The aircraft will have 9 crew members, 3 pilots, 2 nfo, and 4 aw’s. There are 21 seating positions. There are 3 inertial systems on the plane. The NAV was referred as the second TACCO.

The engines are CFM-56 engines with 27,300 lbs. of thrust. Fuel flow at 200 ft. is 5500 lbs./hr. and at 20000 ft. it will be 5200 lbs./hr. The max ceiling is 41000 ft. and low altitude is 200ft. It has a range of 1200 miles with 4 hrs. on station. Max speed is 490 kts. Flt time will be 12 hours without in-flight refueling. With refueling it will be 22 hrs., that is based on the oil consumption on the engines. The Max gross weight will be 189,200 lbs.

The Navy will get 117 aircraft. The first 37 will be delivered thru 2015. They were allocated before sequester. Each aircraft costs $126 million. Each squadron will get 6 aircraft. They will be based at Jacksonville and Whidbey Is. Kaneohe will go away and will become a detachment site. Jax will convert first.

The fuselage are built in Wichita, KS and shipped by rail to the plant at Renton, WA. The wings, engines and tail are put on there. The plane goes to Boeing Field where the systems are installed and the plane is completed.

The Indian Navy is acquiring 8 aircraft. They wanted to have a MAD boom incorporated. Boeing had to make changes to the APU in the tail to make it work.

In the future the P-8 could control UAV’s from the plane. This doesn’t apply to the Global Hawk UAV. Also there might be UAV’s that could launch from the P-8. They would unfold their wings and fly under control from the P-8. The plane has CAT 3 landing capabilities, but the Navy will not certify the plane or keep the pilots or plane current. CAT 3 allows the pilot land in very low visibility. Also the plane has in-flight refueling capability. But the Navy is not going to do that for a couple of years.

It was interesting and informative to listen to the presentation.


John Larson

USS Enterprise: Past, Present And Future

By Rear Adm. Thomas J. Moore, Program Executive Officer, Aircraft Carriers

Today, December 1st, USS ENTERPRISE (CVN 65) will inactivate and leave the Navy’s active carrier force forever. The inactivation of CVN 65 is not just a milestone for the Navy, it marks both the end of an era of a legendary ship and the start of a new era for Naval Aviation with the introduction of the GERALD R. FORD Class. USS ENTERPRISE, although the oldest ship in the fleet, performed the same Naval Aviation Strike Operations and Air Wing support as the newest aircraft carriers.

USS ENTERPRISE (CVN 65) will continue to serve on as more than $100 million of her equipment is reused and installed aboard NIMITZ and FORD class aircraft carriers. Seven ships have borne the name ENTERPRISE, and CVN 65 or “Big E” is a legend in itself as the most decorated warship in U.S. history. Pivotal in every U.S. conflict since its commissioning, the first nuclear aircraft carrier Enterprise changed the future of naval aviation. I had the privilege of serving aboard ENTERPRISE, being Program Manager at PEO Carriers for the long transition of the last NIMITZ class carrier USS GEORGE H.W. BUSH (CVN 77), and am now the PEO responsible for the new GERALD R. FORD Class. I am proud to see the Enterprise tradition of bringing unprecedented innovation and striking power to the fleet being continued in our newest class.

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GERALD R. FORD (CVN 78) is currently under construction and will replace ENTERPRISE when she delivers. Just a few weeks from now her island will be added to the flight deck, and we expect to christen and launch her in late 2013. Her mission will remain unchanged, but with advances in technology such as a new reactor plant, propulsion system, electric plant, electromagnetic catapults, advanced arresting gear, machinery control, and integrated warfare systems, she will carry it out with greater lethality, survivability, joint interoperability, and at reduced operating and maintenance cost to taxpayers. Improvements to the flight deck configuration, weapons elevators, and refueling stations will bring more warfighting power.

Today’s Nimitz-class carriers can routinely generate 120 combat sorties per day, while Ford class carriers will be able to generate 33 percent more sorties per day—160 sorties, and more than 270 sorties per day for short periods of high-tempo operations. The FORD class also brings quality-of-life improvements for our Sailors such as designated fitness space, consolidated more than 600 billets, reduce maintenance, improve operational availability and capability, and reduce total ownership cost over its 50-year life by $4 billion compared with Nimitz-class carriers. It’s important to remember why the Navy chose to build a class of ship that will have a lifespan of 94 years and remain in service until 2110. The FORD class will deliver increased capability—at significantly reduced operating costs—and will remain at the forefront of a long-standing approach to countering threats and providing U.S. military presence in support of a wide variety of security objectives. Just as the “Big E” did when she was delivered 51 years ago, the FORD class represents a true “leap-ahead” ship that will be the centerpiece of U.S. naval power for the rest of the 21st century, proudly carrying on the tradition and legacy of ENTERPRISE.

USS Enterprise Infographic

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